Escondido Immigration Policy
Thursday, October 19, 2006, 10:41 —by JeSais
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cat dirt said on Thursday, October 19, 2006, 13:25
hello- i am an attorney. here is my thought on the escondido ordinance: it’s unconstitutional. no way this thing survives a court challenge. what a waste of taxpayer money!
Nathan said on Thursday, October 19, 2006, 19:07
Agreed. It’s just another Prop.187-style fiasco. It will accomplish nothing but spend the city’s money and divide the community. Once this one gets overturned in court, I just wish the council members could be prosecuted for hate crimes…
dh said on Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:38
I totally salute this city for doing this, I am an attorney too and guess what, the law is totally legal too . They City can pass a resolution and the buissness can either enforce it or lose thier lisence . I have a better plan for this though let Police check their statues , after training from ICE and start deporting that way , the other just lets them move from one place to another . Build the fence start deporting these Criminals, cut off all services and social programs and make employee fines very high !!!!
Michael Allen Smith said on Friday, October 20, 2006, 8:10
Follow the money. Escondido wants more property tax revenue. They can get that by either developing more or increasing the value of the existing homes. New developments tend to be opposed by organized HOAs. (I should know, while in Escondido our gated community stopped a development near the Wild Animal Park).
The houses that haven’t appreciated as much in the recent home price rally are those being targeted by this law. If it becomes too risky or too expensive to be a landlord in parts of Escondido, those properties will be sold. And they will be sold at high market valuations and Escondido will get more property tax. Worst case they believe is that the citizens of Escondido will be in fear of snitches and keep their yard clean. Clean communities inspire investment.
The law isn’t hateful, it’s just not fair to property owners. Landlords are not law enforcement. Putting them in legal risk for the actions of who their tenants let inside the home is absurd. This law adds expenses, legal risk and more regulations to the property owner because of a failing of the government to control immigration.
Christine said on Friday, October 20, 2006, 10:02
What ever happened to:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
It’s still on the Statue of Liberty which is along our eastern border. I guess it’s okay if immigrants come from Europe, but not Mexico?
EscoDude said on Friday, October 20, 2006, 11:16
I live in Escondido. I am on the fence regarding this ordinance because it targets a specific group of people. I live in a small apartment complex of about 20 units (four units have two bedrooms). Until recently, one of the one bedroom units was occupied by four (sometimes five!) people (a married couple, their son and adult-age daughter and sometimes her “boyfriend”). These tenants were caucasion (I understand they just moved to a house somewhere in Escondido). However, in one of the units with two bedrooms, there is a Mexican family living there, and they are subletting one of the rooms to a Mexican mother and her young daughter. So in that unit, 6 people are currently residing. So in this scenario, if a complain was made to the city, only the Mexicans could be questioned. And if they have legal status (which I believe they do), it would not fix the overcrowding problem.
Escondidian said on Friday, October 27, 2006, 15:12
I am an Escondido Native and this will work, there is currently a program that will allow EPD to train with ICE and access the ICE database. Once a complaint is filed, and there will be many, a check of the database will reveal if they are illegal or more info is needed such as their social security number. More and more cities and towns across America are joining Escondido and others. Most of us are writing to our congressmen and the White House demanding that something be done, such as going with the Congress plan as making it a felony to be in the USA.
JeSais said on Friday, October 27, 2006, 15:28
“going with the Congress plan as making it a felony to be in the USA.”
great plan Escondidian… that would certainly solve the traffic problem.
Steve Cherry said on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 9:24
I am a full blown conservative, and I am a bit on the fence with this as well because I would rather see existing laws be enforced (mainly with regard to employment of illegals). I have no issues with my town working pro-actively with existing code and showing that they cand do *that* well before launching out and spending time and money with the rent issue.
On the other side, I am also fully aware that we have some serious problems with so-called “clown-houses” in our town and I can see where legislation like this is coming from. If you have to live in the vicinity of this, you change your tune pretty quickly, believe me.
Note: I hope I will not be tracked down and thumb-screwed by poster “Nathan’s” brown shirts for my “civil discourse” ;0)
Jenn said on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:11
Steve… I too hope you will not be tracked down and thumb-screwed…. civil discourse ALWAYS welcome. Heck, some of my best friends are “full blown conservatives”
Thanks everyone for posting your comments and thoughts…
Nathan said on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:34
No worries Steve. I only want to shackle the politicians
Steve Cherry said on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:16
Whew! Now that is a relief. I was already out Dr shopping (with my other fellow conservatives) for high doses of 800mg Motrin! Now back to our regularly scheduled discourse…
Brian Brady said on Saturday, November 4, 2006, 21:57
I have a few comments about this entry:
1- I am not a tree hugging liberal and I do think there is an immigration problem in this country.
2- I think that we need to address immigration problems but kicking families out of their homes seems awfully un-American. Whatever happened to a man’s home is his castle?
3- Why don’t we just round everyone up and make them wear a red white and green star on the clothes? What does that sound like to you?
I don’t think illegal immigrants should get: welfare, unemployment insurance, a California Driver’s License, the right to vote…and most of all…I don’t think illegal immigrants should get thrown out of their house.
I just don’t follow the logic here.
John said on Sunday, November 12, 2006, 13:07
To that Cat Dirt character. UNCONSTITIONAL? Just were in the constitution does it say a single word about the right to rent if your an illeagal alien?Were does it even say that you have a right to be here?Lawyers are part of the problem. Shakespier was right.And a note to Christene, Were getting tired of the tired ,Hungry and poor.If revolution is needed in Mexico,Lets support it.Who knows,we might just be on the right side of things for a change.
MAS said on Sunday, November 12, 2006, 18:50
John - 5th Amendment
‘”..nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Having the government force landlords to perform law enforcement tasks without just compensation is IMO a violation of the 5th Amendment.
Any lawyers out there wish to comment on the Constitutional aspect of the law?
Fkhouck said on Thursday, November 16, 2006, 6:54
For those that said it will accomplish nothing, you are stupid. It already has. The illegal alien population is moving out in droves. The same as in Hazleton, Pa. That was the purpose was it not.
It declares in plan English you are illegal and we are going to do everything we can to remove you from our city. This is only a beginning.
Joe Plotnick said on Saturday, November 25, 2006, 10:32
Keep preaching hatred in the name of conservativeness. Now, it’s Mexicans, then Asians, and next comes Black Americans until you have a pure white fake city. What you preach, and your made to suit agile laws are going to come to hurt you. Slavery and white supremacy never worked and will never work; these are philosophies of idiots who do not know their lack of simple commonsense. And by the way you do not own this land, you get the chance to live in it for as long your miserable hateful life.
I think immigrants are one of the good entities of our society, what makes them illegal is your screwed up laws. Have you had a comprehensive, non-biased policy USA would have had a striving society with no need to cross borders illegally and forced to live like sardine in a house. I am proud of United States Citizens apart from the few moles like the hate monger alike and Escondido’s ill breed lawmakers who survive with fear tactics and hate speeches. How about the rest of the US boycotting goods and services from Escondido, but I do not preach the same hatred you do, I just wish you go away with your sick thoughts let us live in peace with our diversity in tact.
I’ll pray for your alike.
jo said on Monday, November 27, 2006, 15:32
Landlords should have to use and be subject to the same scrutiny that employers do with the same penalties. Isn’t that the same thing? land lord are making money off illegal aliens.The programs should be in place already to take on this problem.And I don’t know but if you are renting to an illegal alien aren’t you helping a criminal. this is not an easy problem. The united states for years have been so worried about rights of criminals they have forgotten that criminals don’t follow the rules that help us get along. they are not interested in anyones rights unless it helps them in thier activity.The simple fact is that the gov must make a decision; is it a crime to be here live and work without proper legal standing, don’t pay taxes recieve free schooling take away benifits from those that are legal or not?
Michael Allen Smith said on Monday, November 27, 2006, 17:43
Nope. An employer makes an agreement with a single employee, not everyone that employee lives with.
A landlord has a single tenant sign a lease. That tenant can turn around and sublet to illegals. Under this law the landlord is legally responsible for these actions.
Placing law enforcement responsibilities onto the property owner because of a government failing to control it’s borders is not fair.
jo said on Monday, November 27, 2006, 17:48
doesnt the landlord require all the names of tenants living in the rental. Every time I have ever rented they always wanted to know who will be living there
jo said on Monday, November 27, 2006, 17:56
to joe plotnick if we didn’t give free birth,free school free living that isn’t free to anyone who lives here and pays taxes then you would be right but illegal aliens take and don’t return. that causes an infringment on people who don’t feel like giving until it hurts.
Michael Allen Smith said on Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 7:52
From my understanding, the legal resident signs the lease. Then the Illegals sublet. It’s a modern day Underground Railroad. How can the landlord stop that? It’s a law enforcement task.
jo said on Friday, December 1, 2006, 14:45
if the illegal alien wanted to be part of the melting pot of america they would conform and become a legal part of the system instead they want to maintain their own citizienship to another country and use all the beni’s of the united states so if they can’t rent or get a job then maybe they will chose to become a alloy in the big pot or go back to where they are so loyal at heart for
jon o said on Sunday, December 3, 2006, 16:16
(from the comments above) “illegal aliens take and don’t return.”
ha! Of all the shitbird rhetoric swirling the ol’ toilet bowl these days, this is hands down my fave. Cheers!
jo said on Monday, December 4, 2006, 17:45
GLAD YOU LIKED IT USED ALOT OF METAPHORES (RHETORIC)WOULDN’T WANT TO BE POLITICALLY IN CORRECT SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS
Jesus I said on Thursday, December 21, 2006, 9:24
I’m putting a story toguether for my newspaper and ran into your blog. Good job in allowing people with different opinions to express themselves openly. I’m living in St. Louis, MO and there is a a small municipality that enacted a similar ordinance in MO. I was reading the Final Judgment and Permanent Injunction that Escondido entered into. Sorry to say, but your “politicos” are not very bright I don’t know your community at all, but all these ordinances popping up everywhere are bringing out the worst in a lot of people. I’ve lived in the USA for almost 30 years and have to say that It appears to me that the Republican politics of dividing groups is fostering a lot of this political hate. Anyway, now vote your Legislators out of office and make them get a real job.
Jesus I
Paul Gardner said on Tuesday, December 26, 2006, 23:02
The US Constitution applies to US citizens. The clear majority of citizens who do not want the border wide open are, unfortunately, being being betrayed by our federal and state politicians who have forgotten (or do not understand) what they have sworn to protect and uphold.
The media doesn’t help. When it isn’t disregarding the negative consequences of immigration (terrorism, crime, health care, education, disease, gangs) it repeats the patently false myths that immigrants “only come for the jobs”, “jobs Americans won’t do”, and without whom “the US economy would collapse”. So much so that people who know absolutely nothing about immigration can at least regurgitate those myths.
Illegal immigration costs the US. Money which is taken from those of us who obey the law, pay for insurance, and pay taxes. Some businesses benefit. The irony is none of them would suffer if they all had to pay the same fair wage to legal residents.
If only the people whining about the minimum wage, rising health care costs, falling test scores, and overcrowded roads realized the common solution to their problems. Don’t count on the bleeding heart liberal media to help you all come to your senses. They’ll tell you the biggest threat to America comes from the Nazi racist xenophobes upset that their neighborhoods are slowly turning into slums.
RX said on Thursday, June 21, 2007, 6:25
whoa, dh, I’m a law student, a mere rising 2L, as we say, and like, dude? That shit won’t survive a court battle. It is unconstitutional.
Or wait, did it already get challenged and struck down. Won’t I have egg on my face. Not as much as you, though, dh.