Wake Up San Diego

Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 15:37 —by JeSais
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  1. dave said on Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 9:27

    sounds good to me! maybe it will rid my street of broken down RVs and dumptrucks.

  2. Sassy said on Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 12:47

    Sounds awesome to me. Guy down the block keeps his massive boat and RV on the street, looks like hell.

  3. Michael Allen Smith said on Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 16:39

    Many local HOAs already have a similar clause, which seems fair since you can choose to buy or not buy in that community. The rules are set.

    Enacting a city-wide parking ban after someone has already bought an RV doesn’t seem fair.

  4. a different dave said on Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 20:19

    I’m for it as well… get these eyesores out of our neighborhoods and into parking lots. I just wish my HOA required all vehicles to be parked in garages.

  5. Johnny said on Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 22:13

    Thanks for letting me know about this. I am going to write the City Council and let them know about how I strongly support this. Now if we could extend this to construction vehicles, that would be great since certain city contractors such as 3D Enterprises, which was doing work in Little Italy, decided to use lower Banker’s Hill as it’s own company overnight parking facility.

  6. Joe Crawford said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 8:02

    It does sound like a good idea, but your point, MAS, is a good one. How much notice is fair to RV owners? Maybe a year? two? It would be slow coming, but would give people a chance to make arrangements for the expense of storage off-city streets.

  7. JeSais said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 8:28

    Wow. I hope no one decides your car or work truck is too ugly (or whatever) to be parked on a PUBLIC street overnight. I agree with MAS, however, that HOAs are a different story. Which is why condo living is not high on my priority list, unless, of course, I cannot afford a house outside of a HOA, in which case, I will buck up and take it. City streets, IMHO are for everyone whether we think their car is a monstrosity or not.

    I don’t know about you guys–I don’t spend a lot of time sitting out on the street examining these things. When I’m home I’m home, busy, and usually not peering out the windows. Who cares what the cars look like.

  8. Johnny said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 10:26

    I’m not sure who you are referring to, JeSais. However, to me it isn’t the look of the vehicle, it’s the sheer size when one is faced with a finite amount of parking spaces on a city street. Why should your pleasure craft/ RV be able to take up the spaces of three cars and thus prevent three others from parking close to their homes?

  9. Sassy said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 11:11

    Guy on my block has a 100-foot boat and an RV the size of a bus parked on the street. It’s like a wall of sheet metal.

  10. kleber said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 14:44

    Great proposal. Any vehicle that has a sink or toilet should have their street parking privelages regulated.

  11. Johnny said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 19:51

    The way I look at it is if you can’t afford to house this vehicle on your property or elsewhere, you have no right to park it on the street and impinge on the rights of others. If you can’t afford it, you don’t buy it.

  12. Karin said on Thursday, August 31, 2006, 20:36

    As an owner of a vehicle that falls into the category of a potentially banned vehicle, I’ll offer my 2 cents.

    First off, normally I keep my vehicle parked in my driveway. However, I live in a very urban area and my vehicle is loud. If this law passes, when I come home @ 2 AM I will have to park my vehicle in the driveway to avoid a ticket which means I’m going to wake up two sets of neighbors as their bedrooms overlook my driveway. The way I handle things now is when I come home late, I park on the street and then move my vehicle into its spot during the day.

    Of course, I supposed I could take a day off work to get a permit every time I want to drive my van but that just doesn’t seem very practical to me. Even people who rent spaces to store their large vehicles end up getting home late from a camping trip and need to park on the street until they have time to unload and get their large vehicle back to it’s storage spot.

    A couple of other things to consider. Many many people use city streets to park their vehicles because in urban areas many people don’t have offstreet parking. If you drive a van with a high top on it for work, what do you do if you have no off-street parking? Remember this regulation applies to all sorts of vehicles that aren’t RVs, the regulation would be based on vehicle height and length meaning it can include large pickup trucks, U-Haul trucks, and mini vans with raised roofs.

    People with large vehicles pay the same sorts of taxes that people of small vehicles pay only they generally pay more as large vehicles are more expensive so it costs more to register them and they suck more gas so you pay more in gas tax.

    Also, while my vehicle is tall enough to qualify as a potentially banned vehicle, it takes up less space on a city street than most full size SUVs. So why should I my ability to drive my vehicle be restricted while the owner of a Hummer or GMC Denali gets to use up two parking spaces whenever they want.

    As to people parking in front of your house, no one owns the street in front of their home and like others have mentioned, there are plenty of gated communities that allow people to be surrounded by only the type of people (and their vehicles) that you want to be around. I like living in a world with people who are different than me and value different things – it’s what makes lifer interesting.

    In many discussions with the city, we have suggested to the city that the current regulation for limiting parking in one spot to 72 hours be enforced to prevent owners of all vehicles both large and small from using public streets as their private parking areas.

    As to what’s an eye sore – beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there are plenty of ugly cars out there that don’t meet the criteria of the potential ban.

    As to the people who are complaining about others parking vehicles on city streets, I sure hope you pay to park all of your vehicles on your property including your SUVs, sports cars and mini vans. Fair is fair. We all pay the taxes that support our city streets so we all should have equal rights to use them.

    If people are violating the 72-hour law, then those people should be cited and not target every one for the misdeeds of a few.

  13. Sassy said on Friday, September 1, 2006, 7:29

    “As to the people who are complaining about others parking vehicles on city streets, I sure hope you pay to park all of your vehicles on your property including your SUVs, sports cars and mini vans. Fair is fair. We all pay the taxes that support our city streets so we all should have equal rights to use them.”

    I have a garage and a driveway. Many RV owners in my neighborhood have built dedicated RV parking by paving a portion of their yard. No one is complaining about minivans and SUV’s. We’re talking about RV’s as large as a touring motorcoach. We’re talking about a boat which is 20+ feet tall and 75+ feet long, with a trailer and a truck attached to it.

  14. Johnny said on Friday, September 1, 2006, 10:17

    I don’t find anything about Karin’s argument compelling whatsoever. If you can’t make arangements without disturbing neighbors and park off street in a congested urban area, you should get a different vehicle.

  15. Dennis Rudd said on Saturday, September 2, 2006, 6:56

    Let’s be realistic. This situation with R.V.’s and any oversize vehicle didn’t happen overnite. For the past 30 to 40 years (or longer), bigger vehicles have been introduced to the city of San Diego. Business have grown around the R.V., maintenance, trucking and commercial industry.

    RVUFFP does not condone the violation of any existing rules of parking. There are plenty of laws on the books now. If the city is having trouble enforcing existing parking ordinances, how is it going to do any better with MORE laws to enforce.

    The city staffers have acknowledged that there are insufficient storage areas in San Diego. You just can’t take over 100,000 vehicles and zap them away. That’s just the R.Vs. It will take years, perhaps decades to be able to clear our streets. The city engineers drafting this ordinance continue this assault to force the issue upon all San Diegans.

    We must tell them simply, NO OVO !

  16. annie kolls said on Saturday, September 2, 2006, 10:35

    This city has called itself a vacation venue, and promoted tourism as a major part of our economy. chasing away anyone who comes here (or lives here) who owns an RV is counterproductive. RV owners have already paid more to register these vehicles than autos. This city has condoned the building of thousands and thousands of condo projects. none of these allows parking of RV’s onsight. That leaves the street for most of us, for when we need to have the RV close by in order to prepare for a trip, or to clean up after a trip. We already pay a premium to keep the vehicles in storage lots most of the time, as well as a premium to keep them registered here to use the public roadways, just like autos. If the ordinance is just to get rid of the few RV bums who hang out at Mission Bay each day, and then look for a residential street to go to to sleep, I think this ordinance is like dumping the baby out with the bathwater. Find a way to provide another location for them, at a very low cost — like commercial areas that could use the extra eyes at night.

  17. Sassy said on Sunday, September 3, 2006, 10:24

    I don’t get it… you don’t seem to mind that you’ve parked a wall of sheet metal across the street from my house, but I do, and your neighbors do. Everyone hates it, ask any of the neighbors. So who’s for and who’s against? Put it to a vote, I will be you money that RV owners will lose.

    I’m sorry but if you have a 1200 square foot house with a 900 square foot vehicle sitting in front of it, that is an eyesore.

    Where I come from (Long Island NY), this kind of stuff is not tolerated… neighbors call the town if your lawn goes dead.

  18. MAS said on Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 10:54

    Everybody hates the HOA, until they need one themselves. If you want to restrict the property rights of your neighbors then move to a community with bylaws and a strong HOA. I did. I love HOAs and wouldn’t buy in a neighborhood that didn’t have one. In my old community an RV could not be parked for more than 2 days or the owner was fined.

  19. Sassy said on Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 14:26

    City streets are not private property MAS. No one is restricting anyone’s rights. We all pay city taxes, think of the city like a great big HOA :-)

  20. MAS said on Thursday, September 7, 2006, 15:38

    Exactly my point. In an HOA, the streets fall under the rules and guidelines of that HOA. In the city, they fall under the laws of that city. At this time there is no laws prohibiting the parking of an RV. Changing the law after someone has bought an RV does restrict the property rights of that home owner if their only recourse is to move or sell their vehicle.

    Having lived an HOA for nearly 5 years, I know the rules are set and do not change. When we enter an HOA, we knowingly surrender certain property rights, but that list is fixed and doesn’t change.

    Homeowners that choose to live outside an HOA will always run the risk that their neighbor will keep their X-MAS lights up well into March, paint their house lime (like that one guy in La Mesa) or park an RV outside on the street.

    If the city decides to change the law then I would hope that they give people time to comply with the law.

  21. Sassy said on Friday, September 8, 2006, 7:06

    I think the proposed law just says you can’t leave the RV on the street for more than 72 hours. I think most people who own RV’s don’t permanently park them on the street, but a few do. And if you’ve ever spent time in OB, you’ll see that there are several hundred people living permanently in RV’s parked at Robb Field and the Beach.

  22. John said on Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 15:42

    Sounds like another revinue makeing scam on the Citys part.How about doing something REAL to rid the city of real dangers,Like people whow drive without Insurance,Have credential checkpoints and if a person cant prove he owns the vehicle,has insurance,and is not driving on a suspended license.IMPOUND IT.How many of you have been victimized by some buffoon who wrecks your car and doesnt have insurance? Its happened to me twice,both times Illeagel aliens.

  23. Cynthia said on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 8:57

    does anyone know if this parking ban was passed?

  24. Dennis Rudd said on Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 22:30

    Cynthia,

    This ‘parking ban’ has NOT yet been passed by the city council. It will again be heard buy the Land Use & Housing Committee before it is brought before the city council for a vote. Visit rvuffp.com for more information.

  25. Kashia said on Saturday, September 30, 2006, 13:31

    Stop Hatin’

  26. Ivatan said on Tuesday, December 5, 2006, 12:56

    What city or county ordinance do we have concerning parking and loitering on a San Diego city street? I have lived 27 years in the same 200 meter long street with a culdesac at the end. Toward the end there are no houses as it is a steep hill. On many nights non-residents have used this area to come park their cars (sometimes 4 cars) to do their thing out of their vehicles and undescribable activities inside those cars. Trash and rubbers have to be picked-up before the youngsters wake up the mornings. Lately, four cars belonging to the neighborhood have been broken into sometime late in the night. Help!

  27. Joe Crawford said on Tuesday, December 5, 2006, 15:58

    Sounds like loitering. Call the police when you see that stuff. Not 911, just the good old SDPD. The url is http://www.sandiego.gov/police/help/nonemergencies.shtml

  28. Sassy said on Wednesday, December 6, 2006, 8:17

    as Joe said, call police non-emergency. You can report suspicious persons or vehicles in your neighborhood. On my block we are organizing a phone chain where several neighbors call the police en masse if a problem is happening.

  29. Big Jack said on Monday, March 12, 2007, 23:51

    Hey Sassy .. You are a complete moron and one of those people who does not know what they are talking about.. Go back to New York you creepy bitch !! You are such a liar !!!!

    Big Jack

  30. OB Resident Bob Kelly said on Monday, March 12, 2007, 23:56

    You idiots are all jealous of RVers .. I own a RV and will park in front of your house when I find exactly where you live.

    OB rv owner

  31. Brian said on Tuesday, March 13, 2007, 0:00

    Hey skate boarders are illegal criminals.. They shouild all be put in jail !!!!!!!!!

    Skate Boarder Hater

  32. Skate Borders Suck said on Tuesday, March 13, 2007, 0:09

    Skate Borders really suck.. I think they are all criminals.. Hey Sassy .. I will be looking for you on OB on your skateboard …he he .. and when i see you skateboarding illegally i will stop u and call the plice,, i do know what you look like and skate boarders should be fined for every crime they commit.

  33. Number6 said on Thursday, April 5, 2007, 10:32

    The sooner the better! Those things are an eye sore. If you can’t park your RV on your property then guess what? You don’t get to own an RV!

  34. Skate Supporter said on Monday, April 16, 2007, 11:58

    I am blown away by all of the people on here who hate skateboarders? Can you tell me why it is you are so anti? I get that some skaters are not good, just like in every other group, race, religion, but to stereotype a whole group is just wrong. Skateboarding is a form of transportation, saves gas, no polution and it is a great form of exercise. I just don’t get it. Sorry

  35. MAS said on Monday, April 16, 2007, 13:20

    Only Brian and the illiterate post following his had anything to do with skate boarders. This thread is about RV owners and property rights.

  36. vanishingamerica said on Sunday, May 13, 2007, 14:45

    Here’s a thought… Offer all the criticisms you wish, but also offer solutions. Without the solutions, everyone just wastes time arguing.

    Remember, we all DO things, HAVE things, or THINK things that other people do not like. It sounds like an old cliche, but as our world population increases, and personal space diminishes, we are increasingly forced to either live alongside different people, or lock ourselves into our own private gated utopia.

    The whole of civilization is full of people with amazing differences — some comfortable, some not. We have to find solutions that are fair to both sides. No matter your opinion, the people on the other side of the debate aren’t going to go away. And, they see you the same way as you see them — as an obstacle to their way of life.

    Press your point all you care to, but if you want problems resolved, you have to come up with fair answers, too.

  37. Tigger said on Sunday, May 13, 2007, 18:51

    A question to those opposed to RVs on their cities roads…

    Okay, neighborhoods, I understand… Having big vehicles day in and day out limits parking and visibility, and can be annoying to some people for myriad other reasons.

    Here is my question to you… I’m a photographer traveling around the country, living in a beautiful motorcoach. I avoid staying in RV campgrounds because I spend much of my time searching cities, towns, and remote areas of the country for compelling images. I often have to spend the night in a different location every day. And, I often don’t know where I’ll be heading the next day.

    Because of my varied subjects, campgrounds are out. RV parks are out. Friends’ driveways are out.

    Where would you recommend I park my vehicle overnight?

  38. MAS said on Sunday, May 13, 2007, 19:52

    Tijuana or Temecula. :)

  39. CMV said on Sunday, August 5, 2007, 15:43

    Unfortunately, I don’t have a home in San Diego. Instead, I have a 20 year mortgage on my RV, pay outrageous taxes, and pay another $800 just to park at an RV park. And I think that is the correct way to do things.

    I am against squatting. Boondocking is okay when you are parked in remote rural areas – it is not acceptable on city streets.

    However, if San Diegans have RV visitors from out of town – they should have the ability to let their friends park in front of their house. They are bringing money to San Diego and should be welcomed with open arms.

    Also – if I have 40 feet of parking in front of MY house – I should be able to park my RV there, whether it is a 40′ RV or 4 beat up (but running) cars.

    FYI – There are RVs that cost more than most San Diego homes are worth. I’ve seen RVs that are nicer than the homes they are parked in front of. Please don’t bunch all RVers into the same category.

  40. auntiescofflaw said on Friday, August 17, 2007, 23:43

    I sent the letter below to the council and the mayor and I have called a couple council people, too. Supposedly, there is a measure coming before the council soon regarding the banning of recreational vehicles from being parked on the street. The boat I mentioned is still there, supposedly tagged in a spot unknown to the owner.They do this so they can’t remove the tag. Must be hidden,because the owner has not moved the boat. I only hope they tow it. The cops are very forthcoming on this guy. He has occasionally been towed, but they told me many of the places he has been tagged mainly all over OB and Pt Loma. Read the letter I sent :

    Mayor and City Council;
    I have a neighbor who parks his boat on various streets in the Point Loma /Ocean Beach area. This is not an occasional thing. His boat has been tagged over THIRTY times by the Police Dept. Obviously, he watches it and has yet to be towed. Even if this occurred once a month, this has gone on for two and a half years!! This guy is not poor. He has a two car garage which he uses for a motorcycle and a Porsche (tagged with Oregon plates, he has a rental property in that state but he lives here and the car is here). He also has an SUV which rarely occupies his own driveway.

    My question is this: if you can’t or won’t make a law to require boats to be parked in boat yards or off street on the owner’s property, why not ticket regular offenders like my neighbor? After a reasonable number of tags, say 5, it should be apparent that his intent is to use the street as his personal parking lot. This is theft: theft of his neighbor’s resources since we are denied the proper use of the street for which we pay taxes, not to mention the tremendous drain of city/community resources involved in tagging this same offender time and again.
    He is not the only one. There are huge limos, trucks, and other commercial vehicles who do the same thing. These people have money which they spend on other toys while they cheat their neighbors and the city.

    The city can use the money, and these folks MEAN to cheat.They obviously annoy and inconvenience a good number of other citizens. They are gaming the system. It’s time they are brought to heel. Think it over: there should be a way to fine these people. I’ll bet if you check the Police dept.data base for these kinds of offenses, you will reap a gold mine. This same individual just remodelled his house. Want to bet that a goodly portion of the cost has been concealed in ‘work’ performed on his other rental properties?

    A modicum of justice would be appreciated by many of us taxpayers. A good number of people I know and/or meet each day around town (hair dresser, grocery store, other neighbors, ) would be grateful . Many of them tell similar stories and are just as annoyed.

    If my house alarm were to go off and an officer had to respond needlessly, there would be consequences and I would be expected/warned/fined to deal with it. A similar process could be instigated here. These huge vehicles are also a menace and make getting out of one’s driveway dangerous.

    There are empty lots that could be utilized for such vehicles and a fee charged for the use. There are endless permutations , all of which would make money for the city and return the streets to us to use as STREETS! Please consider doing something about this.You would garner a lot of good will which does turn into votes…

    Why aren’t repeat offenders simply sent a letter and fined after their 3rd offense in a yr? Or whatever time limit is deemed reasonable. This is truly a waste of city (meaning my tax dollars) resources. My neighbor bought this boat, with no intention of ever paying for storage. He just remodeled his house with no intention of parking his boat on his own property. It isn’t just boats: guys own limos which they use as a business but do not park it on their property: They store it on the neighboring streets, just moving it around. There are numerous big klunky vehicles all over these residential streets, none belonging to a resident of that street.

    I would bet their insurance companies would cancel on them if they knew that these vehicles were left in harm’s way.

    If you come down on my side on this issue, it would be helpful to call or email your council person. Google San Diego city gov for all the phone numbers and emails.

    I don’t object to the occasional lapse, but 2 1/2 yrs? You can call the cops and they will tell you what the history is if you have a license number of a vehicle. I’d like to see the council take action

  41. UCSD Student said on Monday, August 27, 2007, 20:25

    I’ve been living in my little RV for almost a year now, by moving it to different spots every week or so. I’m doing my best to get good grades in school, so having to work more than a couple of days a week will not allow me to do so. What I’m saying is that if somehow rent in an apartment was more affordable or even some of the local campgrounds great I’d be more than happy to fork out some cash for that. The only places that have even come close to affordable around here is way to far to drive and the difference in savings would quickly make up for in gas money. I wish there was another way to deal with some of these peoples problems.

  42. Vance said on Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 17:23

    Who would you call if your neighbor leaves his RV parked on the street 24/7? Police?

  43. Jeff said on Sunday, February 17, 2008, 10:48

    Wake up you stuip R.V. owners, I guess you didn’t think before you got your R.V’s about PARKING in a R.V. lot, like a good neighbor. Did you? (PARK IN THE R.V. STORAGE)

  44. OB renter said on Monday, February 18, 2008, 13:26

    So I live in OB and rent a place 1br $950. There are a lot of people the camp out in there motorhomes here. I see no problem with them? Its part of OB, and the have the right to park on the street as you do! They pay taxs for the roads. And most have motorhomes that are 22′ and under (But more then 7′) cause easier to drive and park. Some do have buses which do take up so too much space. The ban should be more lacks, 25 and under.

    Haha I think that one guy is right, your all jealous of the RVer cause you wish you didn’t have to pay high rent or mortgage and could live rent free for as long as you want! Thats what I want! I mean $800 lowest price for 1br anywhere! and your just throwing a way $10,000 evey year! Thats fun…

    I’m for the RVer, there the smart one! Camping out at the beach for free… thats sounds like the live.

  45. Frank said on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 19:13

    We must get rid of the RV trailers, boats, And campers within the residential areas in San Diego, every year it grows and it looks like a trailer park. The property values go down and these people could care less about the neighbors in fact they put it in your face.
    WAKE UP SAN DIEGO

    WE NEED A PLOT OF LAND WITHIN SAN DIEGO WHERE WE CAN PARK THESE EYESORES

  46. EQUAL said on Monday, February 25, 2008, 22:06

    the same new law they want for rv’s should also include “all” vehicles regardless of size. everyone required to buy the permit and only allowed temporary parking on city streets with the remainder in paid storage. anyone in their vehicle for more than 5 minutes, eating, taking nap, or farting more than twice, while parked shall be subject to fine and confiscation after third offense. rust or bad paint will be grounds for destruction. etc……

  47. bikenazi said on Friday, February 29, 2008, 1:52

    Cars create pollution and drive oil prices up. Everyone should use a bicycle. People who drive cars cheat people who use bicycles by taking up more parking spaces and polluting the city air. Cars should not be allowed to park on cities streets, because they are an eyesore relative to a bicycle. I rather SEE a bicycle parked in front of my house than a car because a bicycle takes up less of my view. Cars should be parked in a garage or the owner’s drive way. If you don’t own a garage or a driveway or can’t afford to pay several hundred dollars for a rented driveway, don’t buy a car.

    _________

    When you take away other peoples rights, you take away your rights as well. You may not need those rights at the moment, but when the bankers, lenders, landlords come collecting, you will regret the day you gave your rights away.